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Reclaiming our Family Honor!

Reclaiming and regaining our family honor…that was stolen from us!

Taking back what Joan M Wheeler stole from our family!

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UPDATE MAY 2017

Just passed a milestone on this blog…

Congratulations on writing 500 posts on Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor!

So if the ‘subject’ of this blog can write three lying books…I can cover MORE with the TRUTH than she can with her lies! And I shall continue on!

UPDATE OCTOBER 2016

I’m updating with links to my second blog and a Facebook page wherein I expose AGAIN the lies, fabrications and hate that Joan M Wheeler (Doris Michol Sippel) says about me and family. The first book ‘Forbidden Family, A Half Orphan’s Account of Her Adoption, Reunion and Social Activism‘ was pulled from publication by the publisher in May 2011. Then in 2015, she ‘self-published’ a ‘revised’ version calling it ‘Forbidden Family, an adoptee duped by adoption’. This woman has no shame no sense of family honor! Then in 2016 Joan changed her name back to her birth name and rewrote and republished the SAME crap in another book; a Third edition! CALLED ‘Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity’! Talk about conning people!

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/

this blog’s title/sub title is… DUPED BY ADOPTION & AN WOMAN’S STRUGGLE FOR IDENTITY, A BOOK STUDY an in-depth analyzes of the books called Forbidden Family; My Life as an Adoptee Duped by adoption & An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel.

https://www.facebook.com/dupedbyadoptionStruggleforIdentity1/

UPDATE Sept 2015 my new blog…

Duped by adoption, a book study An in-depth analyzes of the book Forbidden Family My Life as an Adoptee Duped by Adoption.

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/

and a new Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/dupedbyadoption1

THE FOLLOWING LINK IS IMPORTANT TO SEE JUST HOW SNEAKING AND DANGEROUS JOAN IS…

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2012/08/14/it-boggles-the-mindjoan-wheeler-hates-her-blood-family-yet-uses-the-dead-members-of-the-birth-family-and-another-dead-person-to-hide-behind-and-attack-the-living-birth-members/

UPDATE July 2015 added an LinkedIn account with a post

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/heres-what-i-am-all-gert-mcqueen

UPDATE March 2015 this post sums up the TRUE story of our family versus the ‘point of view’ of Joan Wheeler.

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2015/03/02/joanwheeler-has-a-new-business-is-asking-for-submissions-heres-mine-flipthescript/

Update November 2014

The purpose of this blog is about exposing all the wrongs that Joan Wheeler has done to me and my family and telling the truth of myself and my family.

It would be wise to look at the ABOUT page to get updates that I have removed from this front page. It bears repeating…the sole purpose of this blog is about the behavior of Joan Wheeler.

Our commentary and reporting is our business.

The lying, hate filled book, called Forbidden Family, by Joan Wheeler is now dead. We told the truth and the publisher pulled the book because of its libelous contents. Joan Wheeler refuses to remove all of her blogs with that title and her hate words towards us.

This blog is to help reclaim OUR Family away from Joan Wheeler…she is the Forbidden One…she was NOT conceived in 1954, when this family picture was taken and can not claim this picture. She was adopted out of the family and when ‘reunited’ turned her hate and anger against us.

Yep, the worst thing Joan Wheeler ever did was to publish that lying book. Now she will have to live with that dead book tied around her neck until we set everything in it straight and right and it starts to stink and rot OR she decides to make it right and remove ALL references to Forbidden Family on her two web sites and apology to us siblings and our parents!
Warning…the contents of this blog are not suitable for young impressible minds or for people who believe everything Joan Wheeler has said or written. Believe her at your own risk! She is a user of people!
see joint post of Gert and Ruth
update of February 2014…Joan has still NOT answered any of our charges against her…in fact when asked directly she runs and hides away, or screams that we are harassing her…so we shall continue on until she answers to the dirty deeds and words she has said and deeds she has done. Joan still has NOT removed her hate blogs against us or gotten her friends to get rid of theirs, so we shall just carry on. Everything Joan and her friends have done to the birth family are part of the historical record.
 NEW COMMENTS JAN 3, 2016

HI there! I had the unfortunate experience of reading Joan Wheeler’s book (it was free on Kindle and in my interest area). I’m adopted, and have recently extricated myself from a disastrous reunion forced on me by my birth family. All that said…Joan Wheeler is a self-pitying narcissist. I feel bad for you and your family. You reached out to her in what seems to be hope and love only to have the door repeatedly slammed on your hand…then she blames you for ruining her door jam! Her writing in this book is wheedling and ‘oh they don’t make me the center of my universe so I’ll make them!’ in tone. You and your family are in my prayers that she either wises up or just stops out of boredom.

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  • Jan 3, 2016…I’m replying to the about comment of same date

    Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us who are named in that latest garbage book of Joan M Wheeler. Glad to know that you didn’t have to pay $$ for it! I did pay for the Kindle but for the printed edition, with discounts, I paid .76 cents…yes seventy-six cents! This book, just like the first one, will never be any kind of ‘best-seller’ for she is speaking to a very small ‘crowd’ that think like herself. There are many out there, like yourself who ‘see’ behind what she writes.

    I’m glad that you KNOW about narcissistic behaviors for they can cause tremendous difficulties for anyone who gets ‘close’ to them. I’d encourage everyone to learn more about those types of behaviors for self-protection. Unfortunately, Joan will never ‘wise up’ nor ‘stop’ for any reason, because she is a narcissistic that NEEDS constant attention and she hates adoption.

    Sorry to hear that you have had a ‘disastrous reunion’; reunions are NOT easy for anyone and when they go horribly wrong, no one wins. Keep in mind that generally all families can be ‘messy’, doesn’t matter whether one is adopted or not, and if you can maintain proper boundaries, those messes won’t get too bad. Your life is your life, live it as you see fit to live it!

    Thank you for keeping us in your prayers, as we will you.

    I made a new blog post on my “REFUTING A BOOK OF LIES: FORBIDDEN FAMILY BY JOAN M. WHEELER by Joan M. Wheeler – exposing her lies”
    https://ruthsippelpace.wordpress.com/2016/01/03/2016-a-new-year-and-im-back-to-blog-about-joan-mary-wheelers-lies-in-her-forbidden-family-trashbook/

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Delighting in condemning her birth siblings, JoanMWheeler/DorisMSippel shows her fangs, but was called on it and told to pull them in!

It never fails to amaze me how ‘certain’ adoptee sites NEVER want to hear about wrongdoings done by an adoptee. Some adoptees seem to have a telfon coating that allows THEIR wrongdoings to fall away without a second glance from other adoptees. But, maybe some are beginning to see that there may be a chip in that telfon coating of Joan/Doris, for they are beginning to…to…I’ll leave that up to you to decide.

I have already written a blog post, of my own, about certain peoples’ comments, that mistreated someone (an adoptee by other adoptees) on this particular blog post…

https://dearadoption.com/2017/11/03/dear-adoption-if-we-both-have-lost/

The link to that post of mine was posted, on the above, by someone other than myself; along with other interesting comments. But here it is…

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2017/11/05/how-not-to-win-over-adoptees-and-gain-converts-to-abolish-adoption-joanmwheelerdorismsippel-at-her-best-flipthescript/

The purpose of this blog post, of mine, is to answer yet another comment by Joan/Doris in which she delights in exposing her birth siblings and continuing with her lies about us. I have NOT included all comments that Ruth posted about a family that Joan could have helped but didn’t. Read the entire blog post to get all details. My main concern here is what Joan said and her attempts to label Ruth and I as troublemakers. Joan CANNOT stop us from making comments or liking comments or writing posts about comments she makes. I am NOT Ruth and I don’t control her. Ruth speaks and acts on her own, as I speak and act on my own. Just because I may have LIKED a comment, doesn’t mean that Ruth did as well. Just because Ruth wrote a comment doesn’t mean that I did! The problem is that Joan/Doris can NOT abide the fact that we are TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE that object to her lies.

My commentary on Joan/Doris comment will follow hers.  Joan/Doris is using one of her internet names; legitimatebastard. The moderator of this post apparently is gazelledz.

legitimatebastard    NOVEMBER 21, 2017 AT 12:41 AM

gazelledz – Please be aware that “Ruth”, and “gertmcqueen” ( the person who “liked” Ruth’s comment, are my full-blood sisters. They have no interest in this blog or any logical discussion on adoption. Unfortunately, you fell into their trap. By responding to Ruth, you have given her attention and validation. No, I am not faulting you, gazelledz, because you did not know who she is. Her words are meant for me and me alone. This is another dig at me because Ruth disapproves of Laura contacting me on Facebook a few years ago. Ruth was not privy to our conversation, nor does she know that Laura and I have never have never met, have never been friends in real life, and have not been Facebook friends for a few years. Laura contacted me via Facebook to tell me that she read my book and used to work with Ruth. Laura told me that she, and other co-workers, was disgusted with Ruth’s constant angry complaining about me. Why was Ruth constantly complaining about me? Because she, and our other sister, Gert, are angry with me for writing my memoir about being adopted and about being found by these vicious women in 1974.

Ruth’s only purpose for posting this comment and link to the Buffalo News article on the murder of Laura’s husband by her granddaughter is to take another swipe at me. I had nothing to do with this family – never met them. Yet, Ruth claims that I should know the “truth” – the back story – of the dirty little secrets Laura hid from me. This is yet another form of internet harassment that Ruth and Gert have been doing to me for years now. They cyberstalk me, find ways to infiltrate adoptees’ conversations, hijack discussions to make it all about them. Ruth is 64 and Gert is 70. They do their best to hurt me. They do not want me in their lives. I do not want them in mine. Yet they follow me all over the internet, harass me and other adoptees. I severed contact with them many years ago. They will not leave me alone.

No, I did not need to know the back story. Ruth worded her comment in such a way as to make others believe she has something to offer to this discussion on adoption. Ruth worded her comment as to inform me of something she thinks I need to know. While this Buffalo, New York murder is tragic, I am not involved with this family in any way. Ruth makes it seems that I really should know the untold details and that I should have seen the trouble spots and really helped this family as the social worker that I am. I am not currently employed as a social worker and have never been assigned to this family in the past (I use my social work skills on my current job and in adoption related discussions and activism). Laura contacted me via Facebook about 4 years ago. I am deeply saddened to read the News that her granddaughter killed her husband. But it is not Ruth’s responsibility to inform me of anything. I saw the News clip on TV and read the story in the newspapers without Ruth’s help. Her commenting here is a form of harassment, nothing more.

I am asking that the admins of this blog remove Ruth’s comment, save it for future reference, and note the name of Ruth Sippel Pace and the name of Gert McQueen as two women who are out to harass me, their baby sister who was given up for adoption at my age of 4 months just after our mother died in 1956. They are notorious harassers of me and other adoptees on many other blogs, attacking other adoptees because Ruth and Gert are pro-adoption and I, and many other adoptees, are anti-adoption. End of her comment…

Gert’s commentary…Yes Joan MUST tell adoptees the names of her birth siblings. Note that I, Gert, did NOT write any comment on this post. Yes, I’m guilty of ‘liking’ more comments than Joan/Doris gives me credit for. Gosh I didn’t know how cleaver Ruth and I are! We have ‘traps’ set for adoptees! Ha ha ha.

‘By responding to Ruth, you have given her attention and validation.’

And of course by bringing ATTENTION to Ruth’s comment, Joan/Doris GAVE validation to Ruth’s position! Joan/Doris just can’t help herself!

‘Because she, and our other sister, Gert, are angry with me for writing my memoir about being adopted and about being found by these vicious women in 1974.’

NAME CALLING! And bringing me, Gert, into something I did NOT DO! So in 1974 when we FOUND her we were VICIOUS! Yep we planned it all, set traps etc etc etc just because we…gosh WANTED our sibling back! We are NOT angry because she wrote anything about being adopted. We are angry because of the lies, misrepresentations and exploiting, OUR PARENTS, OUR SELVES AND ENTIRE FAMILY because Joan/Doris hates adoption! We have EXPOSED every lie in THREE separate books this individual wrote or says on line, as in this post. And we shall continue to do so.

‘internet harassment that Ruth and Gert have been doing to me for years now. They cyberstalk me, find ways to infiltrate adoptees’ conversations, hijack discussions to make it all about them.’

Joan/Doris certainly has a persecution complex! She also can’t abide that there ARE others that contradict her take on OUR FAMILY.

‘Ruth is 64 and Gert is 70. They do their best to hurt me. They do not want me in their lives. I do not want them in mine. Yet they follow me all over the internet, harass me and other adoptees. I severed contact with them many years ago. They will not leave me alone.’

What does our ages have to do with anything? Joan is 61! So what! Oh…she REMEMBERS us, but gosh I never get a birthday card from her! So if she can’t send us a card, she can just FORGET OUR AGES. Obviously we are succeeding in hurting her, or she would NOT have commented. The internet is free to all. There is no harassment, just words written on various internet forums. If she wanted us to leave her alone she NEVER should have written a lying book about us and our family. But…seeing that she did, WE SHALL CONTINUE to write anywhere about any and all words and deeds of Joan/Doris. She can’t stop us and if she thinks she can, by all means…take us to COURT.

‘as the social worker that I am. I am not currently employed as a social worker and have never been assigned to this family in the past (I use my social work skills on my current job and in adoption related discussions and activism)’

Joan/Doris is a PAPER SOCIAL WORKER. She has NEVER worked as a social worker, because she CAN’T KEEP A JOB. She uses her ‘skills’ selectively and to her advantage, to promote her self-importance, and certainly not to help the other person. Don’t know what ‘job’ she has now but as Ruth has pointed out, if Joan/Doris is on SSI and receiving a salary she had better have reported it or she is DEFAULTING THE SYSTEM.

‘I am asking that the admins of this blog remove Ruth’s comment, save it for future reference, and note the name of Ruth Sippel Pace and the name of Gert McQueen as two women who are out to harass me’

By all means the admins will take Joan/Doris recommendation and do as she says. And again we are LABELLED as something we are NOT. And I didn’t publish one word on this site!

‘was given up for adoption at my age of 4 months’

Again, she’s not correct, one place it’s 3 months, another its 4…can’t she keep this straight!

‘They are notorious harassers of me and other adoptees on many other blogs, attacking other adoptees because Ruth and Gert are pro-adoption and I, and many other adoptees, are anti-adoption.’

Wow!! Notorious!! Golly gee!! No she has it all wrong! We don’t attack other adoptees, unless they attack us FIRST. Being pro- adoption has NOTHING to do with why we speak! We speak AGAINST THE LIES AND MISREPRESENTATIOS that Joan/Doris says about us. And I think that many in adoption-land are being to see that! End of Gert’s commentary

Ruth said… NOVEMBER 21, 2017 AT 2:06 AM

by the way, none of the news reports mentioned Laura’s name. If Legitimate Bastard never met the fautmily, how did she know this was about Laura’s family when she saw it on the news?
and yes, I’m sure Laura told her a bunch of nonsense about me — but please can anyone tell me WHY Laura’s husband (the deceased man) was stalking me on facebook — I put screenshots of that and that Joan/Doris/Legitmate Bastard was friends with Laura on facebook.
and just WHY would someone become friends with someone on facebook simply because she said she was disgusted with me at work — and no, I always had support at work, even when Joan/Doris would call my job with lies to get me fired.
ah, yes, this is a mess, and you guys are probably saying “what the?” — just want you to know how Legitmate Bastard touts herself as a great adoption expert and family expert — but in reality, she is not.
make your own conclusions – doesn’t hurt me in the least.

Ruth also said…  NOVEMBER 21, 2017 AT 3:35 PM

lol- whatever. Lie all you want. I got actual police and court documents on my blog proving that you lied in your book, lie on your blog, lying here, lying there.
So – you are ‘working?’ seems to me that a few months after I started my blog you went to an ‘free’ online legal advice site to try to get my blog removed. At that time you said you couldn’t afford a lawyer because you are on Social Security Disability and food stamps. You said elsewhere on the internet that you are disabled because of your anxiety and other physical problems.
SS DISABILITY means you are DISABLED and not able to work.
1. You either lied on the free legal advice site and elsewhere on the internet stating you are on SSD and food stamps.
2. You are lying here.
3. You are lying to Social Security and Social Services and committing fraud.
What a shame I didn’t make screenshots back then when you were trying to get free legal advice. I would post it here.
But I can already predict what you will do now: lie again and say you never said such things. whatever. You are a pathological liar, just like Trump.
Have a good day.

Gert here…

Here is the link that Ruth is referring to, about the legal advice, BUT, it was not free, Joan had to pay $15 for the answer.

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2011/10/01/joan-wheelers-call-to-arms-part-one/

Continuing on here…

NO Joan did NOT get the last word, nor did her request to have Ruth’s comments removed, and yes Ruth got her hand slapped as well!

gazelledz  said NOVEMBER 21, 2017 AT 4:01 PM

Ladies!

Could you both behave in a more professional manner and language? If you have disputes, please have them more discretely-this is not the place to air anyone’s private affairs … & making allegations of such nature is more appropriate in a court room .. In any event.. to spy on another is unethical… to report having done so in a public forum is reprehensible!

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Gert here…Could it be that ‘some’ adoptees are getting tired of Joan’s constant misplace anger against birth family member? After all, don’t these adoptees WANT families to be TOGETHER?

UPDATE Nov 2017;  I’m updating with links to my second blog and a Facebook page wherein I expose AGAIN the lies, fabrications and hate that Joan M Wheeler (Doris Michol Sippel) says about me and family. The first book ‘Forbidden Family, A Half Orphan’s Account of Her Adoption, Reunion and Social Activism’ was published in 2009 but then was pulled from publication by the publisher in May 2011, for libelous material within the book. Then in 2015, she ‘self-published’ a ‘revised’ version calling it ‘Forbidden Family, an adoptee duped by adoption’. This woman has no shame no sense of family honor! Then in 2016 Joan changed her name back to her birth name and rewrote and republished the SAME crap in another book; a Third edition! CALLED ‘Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity’! Talk about conning people!

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/ this blog is titled Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/
this blog’s title/sub title is… DUPED BY ADOPTION & AN WOMAN’S STRUGGLE FOR IDENTITY, A BOOK STUDY an in-depth analyzes of the books called Forbidden Family; My Life as an Adoptee Duped by adoption & An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel.

Also see this Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/dupedbyadoptionStruggleforIdentity1/

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revisiting Joan/Doris’ CALL TO ARMS against her birth sisters

via Revisiting JoanMWheeler/DorisMSippel’s CALL TO ARMS against her birth siblings!

Oh the shame of adoption… more from Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel

via Oh the shame of adoption! Yep that’s the lament of ‘certain’ adoptees! Most notably Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel!

How NOT to win over adoptees and gain converts to abolish adoption; JoanMWheeler/DorisMSippel at her BEST! #flipthescript

Yep she does her BEST work when she browbeats insults and demeans ADOPTEES! It’s bad enough when she goes after adoptive mothers and family members, but ADOPTEES? Oh that’s because she can NOT abide that an adoptee would ACCEPT being adopted.

Now I can go on and on about HOW WRONG this is but we all know that Joan/Doris loves to HATE and she LOVES to browbeat and insult! No I’m not saying much here, I think the basics are all that is needed. People can go to the blog posts, see the comments, judge for themselves and then make comments or not, tell others or not, I don’t have to do much more than PUT THIS OUT THERE.

I just saw that Joan/Doris reblogged a post on her blog

https://forbiddenfamily.com/2017/11/03/dear-adoption-if-we-both-have-lost/

here is the link to the original post

https://dearadoption.com/2017/11/03/dear-adoption-if-we-both-have-lost/

An adoptee bekahbug9412pranali23   posted a comment…

Then legitimatebastard (Joan/Doris) and others went after her NOVEMBER 4, 2017 AT 12:57 AM

I liked a couple of comments on the above post, then went to bekahbug9412pranali23’s page and left a comment for her, she liked my comment. Here’s her link…

https://indiaslostdaughter.blog/my-story/

It would do NO GOOD for anyone to comment on the original blog post, or to reason with them, for, those anti-adoption people are human PIRANHAS! They eat their own kind!

The best way to counter these types is to EXPOSE THEIR BEHAVIOR AND WORDS so that other ADOPTEES and ADOPTIVED PARENTS know NOT to engage with them. They will NOT HEAR you! They WILL GO AFTER YOU.

For further information on whom JoanMWheeler/DorisMSippel, legitimatebastard, forbiddenfamily.com is…

UPDATE NOV 2017; I, Gert, am updating with links to my second blog and a Facebook page wherein I expose AGAIN the lies, fabrications and hate that Joan M Wheeler (Doris Michol Sippel) says about me and family. The first book Forbidden Family, A Half Orphan’s Account of Her Adoption, Reunion and Social Activism‘ was published in 2009 but then was pulled from publication by the publisher in May 2011, for libelous material within the book. Then in 2015, she ‘self-published’ a ‘revised’ version calling it ‘Forbidden Family, an adoptee duped by adoption’. This woman has no shame no sense of family honor! Then in 2016 Joan changed her name back to her birth name and rewrote and republished the SAME crap in another book; a Third edition! CALLED ‘Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity’! Talk about conning people!

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/   this blog is titled Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/

this blog’s title/sub title is… DUPED BY ADOPTION & AN WOMAN’S STRUGGLE FOR IDENTITY, A BOOK STUDY an in-depth analyzes of the books called Forbidden Family; My Life as an Adoptee Duped by adoption & An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel.

Also see this Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/dupedbyadoptionStruggleforIdentity1/

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a re-posting of an earlier post…

always good to remember…

 

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2013/05/22/who-does-joan-wheeler-forbiddenfamily-hate-the-most/

Why do these ‘ladies?’ (Mirah Riben and Doris M Sippel/Joan M Wheeler) have to be so malicious to those that CHOOSE to adopt?

Mirah Riben is the author of What are Predatory Adoption Practices? on Huffington Post.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/predatory-adoption-practices-what-is-an-adoptoraptor_us_59d1521ae4b0f3c468060fbc

The article is self-exploratory and NOT the subject of this post…the comments ARE.

It is difficult, at times, to understand the way Huffington Post’s comment section operates. One time you see comments and then another time you don’t! It seems that ‘some’ authors are ‘in control’ of their own posts and I suppose the comments.

From Huffington Post is this statement…

This post is hosted on the Huffington Post’s Contributor platform. Contributors control their own work and post freely to our site. If you need to flag this entry as abusive, send us an email.

Go figure! Any way…

Here are comments on the article by Mirah and Doris/Joan

Mirah Riben Author

Works at HuffPost

Proposed Legislation Designed to Safeguard Birth Fathers’ Rights, Protect Adoptive Families
https://chronicleofsocialchange.org/…/proposed…

Like · Reply · 1 · Oct 9, 2017 1:22pm

Mirah Riben Author Works at HuffPost

Birth Mother Expenses: What You Need to Know
https://www.adoptivefamilies.com/…/birth-mother…/

Oct 13, 2017 2:20pm

Doris Michol Sippel ·

Works at Self-Employed

Thank you for writing this, Mirah. Timely for me as you will see by my most recent blog post.
https://forbiddenfamily.com/…/exposing-mothers-against…/

Like · Reply · Oct 9, 2017 11:24pm

Doris Michol Sippel ·

Works at Self-Employed

Blog post exposing Mothers United Against Anti Adoption:https://forbiddenfamily.com/…/exposing-mothers-against…/

Like · Reply · Oct 10, 2017 3:53pm

OKAY…But…Then I saw this on Facebook …

Oct 13, 2017

Mirah Riben Author‎ to Adoption Sucks

Hi, Michelle M. Hughes is an AP and an adoption attorney. She has decided to argue my HuffPost about Predatory Adoption Practices on her FB page. If you are of a mind to help set this woman straight, you can see the discussion at the following link, which may only work if you are a friend of Ms. Hughes: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php…

NOTE… the above was written by Mirah Riben herself, they are HER words. Then this FB comment was DELETED from the FB site ADOPTION SUCKS. It is these words of Riben’s that caused me to write my comment as seen below…

 

This prompted me to comment on Huffington Post…

Oct 13, 2017 3:00pm

Gert Mcqueen ·Works at Happily Retired

People who live in glass houses should NOT throw stone at others!

Doris Michol Sippel is totally anti-adoption; to her there is NEVER any reason for adoption, period! She has a long history of going after anyone who adopts or defends adoption! Since 2009, she has written three (3) versions of the same lying fabricated stories of her two families (adopted and birth), where is exploits family members for her anti-adoption propaganda. Here is not the place to get into all that, but check out these links for info…

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/
https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/

https://www.amazon.com/…/Fx16ZH…/-/1/ref=cm_cd_fp_rvt…
https://www.amazon.com/…/cd/forum.html/ref=cm_cd_rvt…

IF Doris sticks to the facts she CAN write a very good piece but when she is AFTER someone her anger takes over…that is why she is on the FRINGE of the anti-adoption movement; many in that movement have neglected (?!) to support her. She even has been told, by Mirah, to ‘gently’ educate others! But Doris does NOT know how to do that!

So for Doris to place, on Mirah’s article, a blog post of her own that CLEARLY goes after pro-adoption people is totally self-serving and hijacks Mirah’s article for something that is NOT within common decency. Really now, people DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE TO ADOPT OR NOT.

Now, I have read many of Mirah’s articles and have found her to be quite enlightening, even if I don’t fully agree with her positions. But then…I found something very discouraging and well beneath the reputation that Mirah presents to the world of Huffington Post…I saw on Oct 13, 2017 on Facebook

Mirah Riben Author‎ to Adoption Sucks
Hi, Michelle M. Hughes is an AP and an adoption attorney. She has decided to argue my HuffPost about Predatory Adoption Practices on her FB page. If you are of a mind to help set this woman straight, you can see the discussion at the following link, which may only work if you are a friend of Ms. Hughes: https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php

Really, do these ‘ladies’ have to be so malicious to those that CHOOSE to adopt?

upvote· 1 · Oct 13, 2017 3:00pm

End of my comment on Huffington Post

Ruth then placed a comment but it does NOT seem to appear at all. Here it is…

adoptoraptor. okay. Just as there are people labeled as adoptoraptors, there are people (?) who can be labeled as adopteeraptors, who live their life attacking other people – harassing them, stalking them, spamming them, calling on other people to harass, stalk, and spam them. If an ‘angry adoptee’ is angry, thinks they are abused, fine. They do NOT have the right to turn around and abuse other people.

Now, I found that once I clicked on the links I had for the Amazon’s forums, that Amazon has discontinued those forums. So I’ll have to locate them from my blog posts and make ONE post that contains them all, for future reference…all in good time.

But for now…let’s remember what Ruth said…

Just as there are people labeled as adoptoraptors, there are people (?) who can be labeled as adopteeraptors, who live their life attacking other people – harassing them, stalking them, spamming them, calling on other people to harass, stalk, and spam them.

THINK ABOUT IT….

Nature vs Nurture by Gert McQueen March 11, 2010

a post of mine before I had my own computer

Refuting a Book of Lies: Forbidden Family --

Nature vs Nurture by Gert McQueen March 11, 2010

NOTE…OCT 2017…this post was written/published before I had a computer. Also see end of post for more info

Are we solely a combination of our parents or a product of our upbringing and environment or a combination of both?

While genetically Joan is a Sippel/Herr she is the product of the Wheeler family dynamic. This can be understood via the studies done where identical twins are separate at birth and raised differently. It is the nature verses nurture argument. By nature she is a produce of Sippel/Herr genes, but never knew anyone with those genes until age 18 and was not nurtured by the Sippel/Herr family dynamics. She was nurtured, by the Wheeler/(Dorothy, her maiden name is unknown to me) genes, via that family’s dynamics; even though she has none of the physical genes.

Now I will grant you that Joan…

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Evil is as Evil Does – Joan Wheeler needs to learn that doing evil eventually has it’s consequences.

Source: Evil is as Evil Does – Joan Wheeler needs to learn that doing evil eventually has it’s consequences.

Facts are Stubborn Things Part 1

NEVER FORGET THAT SHE LIES…

Refuting a Book of Lies: Forbidden Family --

Facts are Stubborn Things Part One by Gert McQueen, April 22, 2010

John Adams, before he became the 1st vice President and the 2nd President of the USA, defended some British soldiers against some citizens of Boston, in what became known as the Boston Massacre. He won the case for the soldiers because of the facts of the case. In his address to the jury he said…

“Facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations or the dictums of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence” from David McCullough’s book, John Adams.

SEE END OF POST FOR UPDATE INFORMATION

 In chapter 18 Liverpool 79, Joan tells of another trip to visit birth sister Kathy, who has told us, in another post, of that visit, from her own mouth about what actually did happen…facts are stubborn things.

 Here are a few adjectives and…

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Anti-adoption people, like Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel, are SO blinded by their views that they CAN NOT see when someone shows them an alternative!

But we must remember that Joan/Doris is not the only one! She has told many anti-adoption people about me! As is told to me below… ‘Oh, I see your name now. Your reputation precedes you.’ …Nice to know that I’m KNOWN!

One of the common threads that anti-adoption people use is that the ‘system’ and/or the ‘church’ interferes and ‘takes away the baby’ of young woman! But there is another side of that story.

NOT every girl/woman that has gotten pregnant GIVES UP OR GAVE UP their child! Likewise, not everyone was/is taken advantage of by the ‘system’ or the ‘church’. But…anti-adoption people just can’t abide the fact that some had/have actually defied the system and did KEEP and RAISE their baby! Oh no! We can’t allow that to be known; that there are some who CAN AND DO take control of their lives and well…KEEP THEIR BABIES.

Now I don’t care what others’ views are, I’m NOT attempting to change anyone’s views or mindset. But, because of Joan/Doris’s views (and others), that the system or the church, takes babies away from young vulnerable women, those that have NOT been victimized by ‘system or church’ NEVER get to voice their experiences! Why? Because to do so violates these anti-adoption people’s POSITION OF POWER! The power of being anti-‘something’ is very powerful to those that speak it. They can’t allow anyone to state a position that is POSITIVE for that takes away from their positions of power. They will NOT allow it to be put out there, that, there is a way to get away from that system or church that takes your baby from you!

I’ve always been frustrated with people who have REFUSED to take life’s hardships in hand, stand up for themselves, and DO SOMETHING positive for themselves!

Just because a person has some kind of ‘set-back’ or because they are ‘young and inexperienced’ or because they ‘can’t deal with adulthood’ or because they caved into the ‘system’ telling them that they CAN’T do something, or they are ‘pressured by family’…is NO REASON for a person to just GIVE UP THEIR BABY.

I was ONCE 18 and pregnant! With no family support, no education beyond high school, no job! Father of my baby WANTED and DID marry me and took responsibility for his child. The SYSTEM, via the Church, tried to take my baby from me…but guess what? I said NO!

NO is a magic word…too many people have NEVER learned the value of that word and what freedoms it can give you or what fetters it can break from you!

Anyway…via Joan/Doris’s blog site I first saw where she ‘reblogged’ a post.

https://bleedingheartsadoption.wordpress.com/2017/08/20/america-you-have-an-adoption-problem/

Then I saw this, the original post, that Joan/Doris reblogged.

https://velvetbocephus.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/america-you-have-an-adoption-problem/

I wrote a comment and posted it here…

https://bleedingheartsadoption.wordpress.com/2017/08/21/adoption-infertility-entitlement-and-the-gift-of-a-child/

But…NOPE they blocked me! Will not accept my comment! Okay! No loss to me!

Then I left my comment here…

https://velvetbocephus.wordpress.com/2017/08/18/america-you-have-an-adoption-problem/

gertmcqueen August 24, 2017 at 12:18 am  Your comment is awaiting moderation.

It was approved

gertmcqueenAugust 24, 2017 at 12:18 am

There are at times a neglect in knowing some of the more positive side of adoption.

Myself; I became pregnant just months before high school graduation. In those days, middle 60s, it was NOT acceptable and I would have been kicked out of school. Before continuing with MY story, some background.

My mother had been very ill for about a year before she died when I was 9 years old. I and my siblings were being cared for my grandparents and various relatives, including the infant born JUST before our mother died. Before mom died, dad knew that he had to provide for several children so he offered marriage to a single mom with 2 children, she accepted but she refused the infant. His only recourse was to put the infant into adoption. Both the birth and adoptive parents (and relatives) knew whom the infant was and whom adopted the infant; not so unusual in the ways humans behave and needs…families know whom is in need etc.

About a year into dad’s second marriage, his wife’s mental illness required hospitalization and ALL remaining children were placed in orphanage and foster homes. Over 7 or so years, one or two of us were able to stay with dad or grandma for brief periods but mostly we were ‘in the system’. I was in foster care from age 10 to 18. The year I turned 18, 1965, my step-mother and grandmother died and dad was able to BRING US ALL HOME, I was with dad for about 4 months.

So back to ME…I was in 1965, like thousands of others, a KID HAVING A KID. I was in the foster care system, but RETURNED to my parent’s home and care. Legally, I was an adult, 18 for a girl (21 for a boy). That gave me the RIGHT to make my own life’s decisions. The father of my child was under age, BUT, he took responsibility and wanted and DID marry me and claim his child.

RIGHT before the marriage ceremony the priest said I did NOT have to marry, I could GIVE MY CHILD UP INTO ADOPTION. I said WHAT??? I WANT MY CHILD. THE FATHER WANTS THE CHILD. Did we have income and the means to raise the child? HELL NO! I barely graduated from HS and my husband was a dropout, but he DID have a job. Did we have the skills to raise a child? No but we learned! And within a few months I was pregnant again! So I did what THOUSANDS of others did and do…I got on birth control! And continued with raising my children!

Our marriage did NOT work, we divorced, I went on welfare, I went to school, I got a job, I raised my children ALONE for 12 years before I married again. BTW…I was on welfare for 3 years and WORKED full time for 37 years retiring with a government PENSION. My children’s father, worked and was good at his job; he was NOT good at paying child support or being a father…such is life!

So I married again when my children were teenagers. My new husband wanted to adopt them, they wanted that as well. In my state of NY, a child over age 14 must give their permission to be adopted. As happens with some teens, they go through ‘identity crisis’ times and that’s what happened to my daughter, she DIDN’T know who she was, didn’t know her father, she was ‘probably’ going to get married early and she did NOT want to be adopted. That was her choice and decision.

When I married, my name changed; my children initially thought their name changed as well. We explained the process. Over time with home-studies, background checks, etc etc, my children learn that they HAVE to be interviewed by a judge to give permission. We pass; my daughter declines adoption, my son wants to be adopted. My husband WANTS BOTH children and never favored one over the other!

So comes the time to SIGN THE PAPERS…

Page number one states that I AM THE BIRTH MOTHER, who GIVES UP HER CHILD into ADOPTION.
That makes me a ‘birth mother’ in the adoption triad!

Page number two states that I AM THE FOSTER MOTHER OF THE SAME CHILD GIVEN UP INTO ADOPTION.
That makes me a ‘foster mother’ of a child being adopted!

Page number three states that I AM THE ADOPTIVE MOTHER OF SAME CHILD THAT WAS GIVEN UP BY BIRTH MOTHER WHO WAS IN CARE OF FOSTER MOTHER.
That makes me an ADOPTIVE MOTHER in the adoption triad!

ADOPTION is NOT AN EVIL institution. Many need adoption, for various reasons. If someone doesn’t like the fact that they are adopted, that doesn’t give them any more rights over those that are HAPPY that they were adopted.

End of my comment

BUT then I got these replies

Velvet Bocephus  August 24, 2017 at 11:00 pm

No offense, but what in the world does your story of a step-parent adoption have to do with exploiting poor expectant mothers and offering to separate them from their children rather than empower them with love and support?

Did you read the post? This is your response? A non-sequitter? I can’t believe I’ve deigned myself to respond to this.

Velvet Bocephus August 24, 2017 at 11:01 pm

Oh, I see your name now. Your reputation precedes you.

Velvet Bocephus August 24, 2017 at 11:03 pm

And non-sequitur. I completely butchered the spelling. Your comments will receive no further responses from me.

And so I replied…knowing it will not be approved

gertmcqueen August 24, 2017 at 11:51 pm

Your comment is awaiting moderation.

I guess you MISSED that part of my story where I told about HOW I was, to use your words.. ‘exploiting poor expectant mothers and offering to separate them from their children rather than empower them with love and support’…
I was ONE of those poor expectant mothers that was OFFERED to separate my child from me INTO ADOPTION and I CHOOSE not to.
You are so BLIND that you DID NOT READ, SEE AND UNDERSTAND what I said

And of course…she has blocked me and that is why I have a blog…to report such things.

The REASON I wrote my comment? To make sure that those that have ‘heard’ about me, via Joan/Doris, KNOW the other side of the story about my parents, family and my own story and NOT just Joan/Doris’s version. My presence is an IMPORTANT ONE! And I will speak my truth!