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Big Bad Russ responds – here’s my answer!

by on March 14, 2012

addendum: Russ saw that Gert and I commented on his blog, and came over and commented on our blog – he said that our eyewitness was blind. I then wrote this post, then checked his blog – nope the cowardly little bully did not publish our comments. So I left this comment to him just now (March 14, 2012 4:40pm) and am sticking it right here on top of this post.

by the way Russ, please get your facts straight – Joan is NOT my “youngest” sister – she is my ONLY younger sister. please go here to read more: (I gave him the link to this post). and I see you don’t have the guts to publish my comment. Why? Put the truth out there Russ – what are you afraid of? – eh, big bad bully – can’t publish the whole truth now can he? Which tells us all we really need to know. – never fear – it’s all published on our blog.

Addendum 2 – March 14, 2012 5:48pm : was just at David’s fan page over at facebook (David Gerrold) and found a great new quote. I simply love David – I have learned so much from him the past year – anyway, he had this quote from Voltaire: “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”  Think about it Russ. You believed Joan’s lies – and what did you end up doing? And no, contrary to what you think and tried to preach to us – “joan will be silent now” – that’s a laugh – last March she went on the Huffington Post and published a heinous lie about my grandfather. Who died in 1959, Whom Joan never met. Yep, Gert spoke truth when she said in a comment (further down this page: “Sorry Russ, your track record, with Joan Wheeler, does you no credit…you are the company you keep and your word is just as worthless as hers.”

  okay back to my original post that I wrote earlier today:

oh no, Russ, the eyewitness was not blind. She never knew Joan, having been a childhood friend of Kathy’s, and who had not seen our family since the late 1960’s. She entered the funeral home and saw Joan, and noticed the strong resemblance Joan had to me. In fact she thought it was me. But then Joan started mouthing off to the funeral director about her having been left out of the obituary notice (my father’s decision – because she badgered him, an elderly man, demanding money.) The eyewitness was confused, about this other “daughter” but said nothing. (The funeral director confirmed to Gert and me at 7pm that Joan indeed had words with him in the hallway.) The eyewitness said Joan then entered the room where my father was laid out and Joan and a younger woman went up to the casket. There was a man, large, with strawberry-blondish hair at the guest book. The eyewitness stood behind the man to wait her turn to sign it. The man was writing a long message, then turned a couple of pages and wrote some more. The eyewitness went home and made a few call phone calls to track down Kathy. It took her a couple of hours but eventually found a friend who had Kathy’s phone number. She then called Kathy in England, who in turn, called me and Gert. By the time I got home that night from the evening’s visitation (7-9pm), there was a message on my answering machine, telling me who had done it. At 7pm, when Gert and I returned to the funeral home, we checked the book and found it – and there were only 4 names in the book that were not there at 49m when we left. The last one was the eyewitness. Directly above her name was Russ’s name, and above his name were the names of Joan and her daughter Catherine. Those 4 names AND the hate message were NOT there at 4pm when we left. AND Catherine was already in the building when we left – Gert had spoken to her. AND the funeral director told us after Joan left – there were no other visitors.

As for disrespecting my father – shove that accusation Russell – it was not Gert or me or Kathy who disrespected him – it was Joan – it was always Joan – and in November 2010, my father called us to attend a family function. Gert couldn’t make it, but I did. I asked my father pointblank on the phone if Joan would be there and he said forcefully “NO – I am done with her.”
On February 14, 2011, Gert wrote this post “In her book of lies, called Forbidden Family, Joan Wheeler’s statements about my father, are false!”  Gert details the lies about my father that Joan had written in her book, and sets the record straight about him. Joan portrays hims as under-educated, poverty-stricken man, which he was NOT. Russell – you have never met me, and you only met my father ONCE in a hospital, days before his death – so how do YOU know ANYthing about my relationship with my father? You know nothing – have no business writing ANYthing about MY relationship with MY father. You know SHIT about me or my father, so you would be wise to shut up.

And no, this is not the first time you were accused of writing in my father’s guest book – we blogged about it the very week after the funeral.

But you still don’t address the subject of why you would write such a silly-ass blog about how big and bad I am, and how negative I am, but don’t address how YOU were also “negative” at the same time-frame (autumn 2010) – writing obscene comments on my blog, calling me a bitch. Oh that was so positive of you – riighhtt! And knock off the inner city jargon – ya’ll know you aint’ got it right. I just love those small town white folks who think they’re so “homie” – lol. Oh, and by the way – the picture of you on your Badoo account AND your facebook page – was identified as the man in the funeral home.

blog posts pertaining to Joan and Russ:

NOTICE TO JOAN WHEELER – JANUARY 7, 2011 – STAY AWAY FROM MY FATHER! GOT THAT?

THIS IS A FORMAL NOTICE FOR LEGAL PURPOSES AGAINST JOAN M. WHEELER AND RUSSELL D. THOMAS OF WILSON NY (he made himself public by signing this on a separate page in the guest book – January 16, 2011

Legal Notice to Joan M. Wheeler Part 3 by Gertrude McQueen, first born of Leonard Sippel January 17, 2011

Legal Notice to Joan M. Wheeler – Part 2 January 17, 2011

legal notice to Russell Thomas – January 18, 2011

Joan Wheeler is strangely silent after she and her boyfriend were found to have desecrated my father’s funeral guest book. January 23, 2011

I do not have copies of the obscene comments Mr. Thomas left on my blog, or the comment he left saying “I was only trying to help.” Those were deleted from my blog. Since he had to put his email on his comment, I took it upon myself to answer him via email. I do not have the first email I sent him, as I deleted it,  but in it, I told him NOT to contact me. But of course he did. The first email that I have is from November 15, 2010, in it, I told him a few things, and told him to “go away.” Several hours later, he emailed me. SECOND time he contacts me against my wishes. I answered him, and told him “I don’t want to hear from you again.” – and yes, he answered me again – THIRD time he contacts me against my wishes. “sorry to bother you,” he says. Then in January 2011, he contacts me for a FOURTH time against my wishes. This was now considered harassment. And remember, we didn’t know at that time, Russ himself had put up that lying slanderous blog about us. This man is a fool. And we put everything on our blogs. We are truthful. We are not lying hypocritical snakes such as these foolish people.

Hear are the email exchanges between me and Russell D. Thomas November 2010 and January 2011. See how many times I repeat: “do not contact me.” “you don’t know me or my family.” — How does some guy who NEVER met me, dare to comment on MY personal life or tell ME how to behave? Or to give ME advice on how to handle Joan? Me, who has known Joan Wheeler since 1974, and have suffered harassments of all kinds from her, who has had 38 years experience in dealing with Joan, compared to this stranger to me, who has known Joan for what? less than a year? Calls me a bitch on my blog, then writes a hate message in someone’s funeral book, then sleazes around the internet on dating sites (while seeing Joan). Ah, yes, a pillar of morality. lol

emails:

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From: ruthbpac.com
To: rusthmas

Subject: RE:
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 12:52:33 -0500

Mr.  Thomas
 
You are not understanding – JOAN WILL NOT STOP!
We have gone thru all this with Joan many times in the past. We have tried to reconcile with her – In 2004, I started a family photo website and things were fine for 6 months. One day out of the blue – she’s sends me an email accusing me of all kinds of stuff – all lies.
 
Mr. Thomas
JOAN IS TELLING PEOPLE THAT I HAVE AN ARREST RECORD –
I have considered entering public office – running for Common Council – How can I with this kind of lie being told about me?
I have repeatedly asked, then TOLD Joan to stop saying that – SINCE 1993 – but SHE WILL  NOT STOP!
 
So excuse me – but you have no business telling me that I am the one to just roll over and pretend everything is all hunky dory – when it is not.
 
Last Nov 3, I called her house – to tell her our aunt died. She subjected me to a barage of filthy verbal abuse-
No, Mr. Thomas – Joan started this – Joan must end it by pulling the book off the market and by ceasing ALL mention of me and my sisters AT ALL!
 
Now did I not say in my email that I did NOT want to hear from you?
Are you as daft as Joan?
 
DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL? I WANT NO CONTACT FROM YOU – OR JOAN.
I WANT TO LIVE IN PEACE – I HAD PEACE FROM 2004 TOP 2008 UNTIL JOAN STARTED UP AGAIN.
 
And why do you care anyway? You don’t know me – and you are insulting to think that a victim of a bully should lay down and take their garbage year after year after year.
 
And this is what Joan is – a bully. JOAN writes a book – in it is lies about her sisters – – oh too bad! her sisters are just supposed to sit back and let lies be spread about them.  JOAN gets a blog and in Sept. 2008 writes lies about her sisters — oh too bad! her sisters are just supposed to sit back and let lies be spread about them.  — JOAN gets a new blog in 2009 and writes lies about her sisters — oh too bad! her sisters are just supposed to sit back and let lies be spread about them!
No – it isn’t going to happen. My blog may be scathing – but it is the TRUTH. And if Joan can’t take the truth – that’s her punishment for spreading  lies about me and my sisters.
As for you – I don’t care what you think – you are nobody to me. Now go away.

From: ruthbpace@.com
To: rusthomas@.com
Subject:
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 07:44:59 -0500

http://cyberbulliesstalkers.blogspot.com/
 
is Joan’s latest internet trashing of us.
And no, we did not start the internet thing.
I have been on the internet since the year 1999. I have never mentioned Joan at all.
In September 2008, Joan started a blog about adoption – I saw it. Didn’t have a problem with it – then all of a sudden – she starts trashiing me and my sisters. I still said nothing.
In October 2009 she started a new blog. Her old blog jot shut down because she insulted some gay people. She blamed ME for her blog getting shut down. I had nothing to do with it.  So in Oct. 09, she writes something about Yom Kippur, in error – my sister Kathy left a comment, correcting her about the religios point. Kathy was brand new to the internet – and she left her real email and real name. Joan at first was nice, then out of the blue became nasty and sent Kathy a nasty email. As webhostess, you should not be sending your readers a nasty email. Kathy complained to WordPress – and WordPress deleted that ONE post. Joan got upset, saying she would not be censored, started a third blog and transfered everything over – she shut her blog at wordpress by herself. We had nothing to do with it.
 
Also in Oct.09 Joan went to CBS or ABC.com and was interviewed for an article Adoptees Face Sting of Discrimination – and left lies about there. I left my comments stating the truth – is that not my right? She did the same at The Daily Bastardette – I again left a nice comment saying that Joan did not say exactly the truth. The person at that forum did not publish my comment, so I started my blog. I then bought the book and saw lie after lie about me.
 
Mr. Thomas, I have never been arrested in my life. Joan says that I have been in her book, and says this on the internet.
I have never been placed on probation – Joan says this in her book and the internet.
The purpose of our blog is take Joan’s lies and tell the truth.
 
Mr. Thomas – may I ask you question? How would YOU feel if someone published a book that contained lies about YOU – Lies that could harm your career, your reputation! You would not like it all.
 
Now as to your supposedly getting Joan to stop trashing us – no, she took her lies off the forbidden family site and moved it to another site.
If she told you she would remove it – she LIED to you.
Now, Mr. Thomas, I spoke my piece to you calmly and truthfully. I don’t want to hear from you again. You have no knowledge of what Joan has done to me, to my family.
 
Ruth

From: rusthomas@.com
To: ruthbpace@com
Subject: RE:
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 11:02:59 -0500

Ruth.
 
Soryy to bother you again.  I went to the cyberbulliesstalkers and it is pretty scathing.  It is no worse than what you all have said about her.  I feel confident that is the last internet posting she will do about you.  She let it all out.   Now you can all now let it go.  Go on Leave her alone and she will leave you alone. 
 
Rus
From: rusthomas@.com
To: ruthbpace@.com
Subject: What?
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:05:04 -0500

Ruth,
I was just wondering what desicration I supposedly wrote in the guest book?  I wrote only my name and town, as is customary.  I did that to honor Leonard’s service, as I would for anybody who served our country.  I would also like to apologize for any perceived hatred I have written against you, Gert, or Kathy.  I may at times write when I am angry and I try not to but we all have failings.  You may put this in Junk or trash but you will never see this side of me which is me. 
 
Rus Thomas

So my bottom line message to you Russ – remove that slanderous blog you have against me. Again, you do not know me, you have no business trying to bully me. When I said “don’t contact me” that’s what I meant. You had no business sticking your nose into MY business or another family’s business. YOU don’t know what it is like to be Joan’s victim. YOU didn’t have to deal with 6 months of Joan calling your job trying to get you fired over a false accusation. YOU didn’t have to deal with receiving a letter saying that your infertile husband got the next-door neighbor pregnant. YOU didn’t have to read a book and read false shit about yourself: like you having an arrest record and being placed on probation when you didn’t. And guess what Russ? I sent copies of actual court documents to Trafford Publications that clearly stated that I was merely “summoned” into court (NOT arrested), the “multiple one-year orders of protection” that Joan received against me and Gert and Kathy was ONLY ONE – AGAINST ME – AND IT WAS FOR SIX-MONTHS.- yes, Russ, these court documents (and more documented evidence against Joan) was submitted to Trafford Publications. The result? Her book was pulled – killed – because it was PROVEN TO THE PUBLISHER that Joan Wheeler SLANDERED AND LIBELED me in her book. Her book was killed in May 2011.

Looks like you backed the wrong horse there Russ. Now remove that blog of yours – and go away.

Gert here:

What Ruth writes here is correct…
Sorry Russ…hanging out with Joan Wheeler does not end up well…

you did not know Joan for long, you only knew her in her ‘sweet’ phrase of a new friendship and you DID her bidding…you came and left hate messages to Ruth, why…because you were helping poor innocent helpless Joan against her terrible mean birth sisters! you NEVER checked anything out…even on your blog, of 2010 you state…that you believe Joan because you know her, for what about 6 months? And it’s up to the reader to decide who is right, Joan or the birth sisters. Where have you been all this time, Russ, have you READ all the evidence against Joan? Are you still backing Joan and her lying? Doesn’t matter whether you like our approach or not…you are not all that clean yourself.

The ONE AND ONLY time you met MY father was with Joan…who neglected to tell you that she was BANNED from being in my father’s presence, by his insistence. It was only because Joan NEEDED, yet again to make the forbidden contact, because at the time HER adopted mother was having a bad spell and Joan was scared! Don’t you remember Russ, when you were in MY father’s home, HOW Joan GOT the information from MY stepmother, an elderly sick woman, where MY father was? Didn’t see how clever and persistent Joan is in getting information she wants WHEN she was forbidden to be in the house in the first place? And then you went directly with Joan to MY father’s hospital bed and the witnesses there were outraged at this interference in THEIR family.

Sorry Russ, your track record, with Joan Wheeler, does you no credit…you are the company you keep and your word is just as worthless as hers.

correct Gert.
My father threw Joan out of his house in 2009 with instructions NOT to call or come over ever again. Because she insulted his religion and his mother’s ancestry to his face. She said she hated Catholics and Polish people. As well as demanding money from him to pay for repairs to her car – because she was taking him, an elderly man to his doctor appointments. AFTER she volunteered to do so. In her book, she actually says this – (how disgusting, to actually publish your own greed) and also used it as another opportunity to slam me. She said that I wouldn’t take him to his doctor appointments – but didn’t say WHY I wasn’t – because in 2004, I was busy taking care of my husband who had open heart surgery in September 2003 (2 months prior to my father’s heart surgery). AND I was working overtime to compensate for the lack of my husband’s income. AND taking my husband to HIS doctor appointments. All this while I’m working night shift, and trying to sleep in the day. – Then in December 2004, MY car was damaged in a car accident and I went two years without a car. – I know I still have paperwork concerning the car accident and I have paperwork concerning John’s open heart surgery on Sept. 24, 2003. Would you like me to post the documents on this blog Russ? See, the difference between me and Joan, is I can provide actual documentation of what I say. Joan never provides proof of ANYthing she says. You got egg all over your face Russ.

 So Russ, Joan didn’t tell you the whole truth. And by 2007, I was taking my father for some errands. Which Joan knows nothing about.Like going to Boulevard Mall Radio Shack for his stereo – or taking him to the credit union downtown and to the bank of America. Oh, so much for MY disrespecting my father so much Russ – my father trusted me enough to drive him around to do his banking. Because he knew I wouldn’t hound him for money.

When my father took ill, in January 2011,  nobody called Joan – because they knew he wanted nothing more to do with her. She went to my father’s house on her own – why? Because as she related it on the Adoptee forum – her adoptive mother (in a nursing home) took a turn for the worse. She suddenly decided that she needed to talk to my father and with Russ, went to my father’s house. The door was unlocked, and after knocking once, they entered. Russ is a big man, and my step-mother was frightened. She was frail, on oxygen. But she told Joan that Dad was in the hospital. After joan and Russ left, she called one of her daughters. The other daughter was at the hospital already. And when Joan and Russ came in the room, she was pissed. BUT nobody wanted to make a scene in front of my father, who did have a nice visit. Russ said in one of his email or a comment to my blog that Joan asked “forgiveness” and he forgave her. My stepsister said no, this did not happen. Who are we to believe? Joan and Russ, who have a track record of bullying and lying and twisting the truth? HA! I don’t think so.

Remove that slanderous blog you have against us Russ and go away.

oh – as for “disrespecting” my father – one time when I took him shopping – in 2004, I got a speeding ticket on the 290. When I got to my dad’s house, I told him about it. He offered to pay it for me. I said no. I was the one who got the ticket. My dad then said, “but you got it while coming to take me shopping.” – I said – “no – YOUR foot was not on the gas pedal – MINE was.”

geez – it ain’t just the cost of the ticket – it’s the gas (2004 was the year gas soared to $4.00 a gallon) – the gas driving to and from the court, the fine, PLUS being told to attend driving school – in Hamburg – gas driving to and from the driving school. – the school was 6 hours. A good way to measure the value of your time is take what you get paid from your job – I was getting $18.00 an hour in 2004 – that’s another $108.00. I think the fine from the Amherst court was $200.00. Oh, and then I had to drive BACK to Amherst and show the certificate from the driving school. AND I had to pay for the driving school!

Lesson learned – I was going with the flow of traffice EVERYbody was doing 70 mph in a 55 mph zone – Now I stay at 55 – or some places let you go 65.

Now, if it was Joan – she would have demanded the full monies involved my father and bitched about all the time she spent. I bitch about the time because as I said, I have a job, and was taking care of my husband. Joan has no job. She has no life.

Gert here:

On one of my visits home to see my father, when he was recovering, I took my step-mother shopping. She told me that she hated when Joan would take her shopping because Joan had a nasty habit of putting  items, that Joan wanted, into the cart, not saying anything and then when they got to the check-out my step-mother ended up PAYING FOR JOAN’S ITEMS.

Joan is a sneak…when asked about the items Joan would say something like…oh I forget I put it there and gee I don’t have $$ on me…etc…and the OLD woman, would NOT argue with her

right Gert,
as the victim of theft of several hundreds of dollars from Joan, and we know how she tried to extort money from Kathy via the help of her good friend, Dr. Rene Hoksbergen – we can see how Joan Wheeler is not just a liar – she is a thief, a user, an abuser – and a just a low-down scumbag.

We have detailed on my blog Refuting a Book of Lies, how Joan stole the money from me, and how she tried to steal $500.00 from Kathy. – and in the process stole, by not shipping to Kathy, items belonging to Kathy that Joan was storing for her. I’m just too sick right now, having gotten back from the doctor’s to find the links and post the links to the blogposts detailing these thefts. Suffice it to say, again, we have provided written documentation – especially for the attempted extortion of Kathy. Joan had adoption expert Utrecht University (The Netherlands) write to Kathy and tell her it would cost $500.00 to ship the belongings. When Kathy appealed to our dad for help, he got most of the belongings (minus the items Joan kept for herself) and in three shipments, shipped them off to Kathy for about $50.00 each trip – just over $150.00 – for our evidence – we have posted the actual letter in 1993 from Professor Hoksbergen telling Kathy it would cost $500.00 and the actual receipts from my father – totalling just over $150.00. – so don’t feel lonely Russ – Joan played you for a fool – you’re in good company – she played a college professor, an adoption expert, a writer of several books on psychology – yes – she played an intelligent man for a fool to act as an accomplice to extort money. Are we learning yet Russ? Cut your losses – remove that blog of yours – run the hell away from Joan – forget the Sippel family – because as Voltaire said “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Joan led Prof. Rene Hoksbergen to do it – AND you. AND Susan Thompson Underdahl, AND HeatherUK, AND Mara AND Lori Corangelo. Congratulations! You’re all in the “I got taken in by Joan Wheeler and was played for a fool” club.

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7 Comments
  1. Gert here:

    What Ruth writes here is correct…
    Sorry Russ…hanging out with Joan Wheeler does not end up well…

    you did not know Joan for long, you only knew her in her ‘sweet’ phrase of a new friendship and you DID her bidding…you came and left hate messages to Ruth, why…because you were helping poor innocent helpless Joan against her terrible mean birth sisters! you NEVER checked anything out…even on your blog, of 2010 you state…that you believe Joan because you know her, for what about 6 months? And it’s up to the reader to decide who is right, Joan or the birth sisters. Where have you been all this time, Russ, have you READ all the evidence against Joan? Are you still backing Joan and her lying? Doesn’t matter whether you like our approach or not…you are not all that clean yourself.

    The ONE AND ONLY time you met MY father was with Joan…who neglected to tell you that she was BANNED from being in my father’s presence, by his insistence. It was only because Joan NEEDED, yet again to make the forbidden contact, because at the time HER adopted mother was having a bad spell and Joan was scared! Don’t you remember Russ, when you were in MY father’s home, HOW Joan GOT the information from MY stepmother, an elderly sick woman, where MY father was? Didn’t see how clever and persistent Joan is in getting information she wants WHEN she was forbidden to be in the house in the first place? And then you went directly with Joan to MY father’s hospital bed and the witnesses there were outraged at this interference in THEIR family.

    Sorry Russ, your track record, with Joan Wheeler, does you no credit…you are the company you keep and your word is just as worthless as hers.

    • correct Gert.
      My father threw Joan out of his house in 2009 with instructions NOT to call or come over ever again. Because she insulted his religion and his mother’s ancestry to his face. She said she hated Catholics and Polish people. As well as demanding money from him to pay for repairs to her car – because she was taking him, an elderly man to his doctor appointments. AFTER she volunteered to do so. In her book, she actually says this – (how disgusting, to actually publish your own greed) and also used it as another opportunity to slam me. She said that I wouldn’t take him to his doctor appointments – but didn’t say WHY I wasn’t – because in 2004, I was busy taking care of my husband who had open heart surgery in September 2003 (2 months prior to my father’s heart surgery). AND I was working overtime to compensate for the lack of my husband’s income. AND taking my husband to HIS doctor appointments. All this while I’m working night shift, and trying to sleep in the day. – Then in December 2004, MY car was damaged in a car accident and I went two years without a car. I know I still have paperwork concerning the car accident and I have paperwork concerning John’s open heart surgery on Sept. 24, 2003. Would you like me to post the documents on this blog Russ? See, the difference between me and Joan, is I can provide actual documentation of what I say. Joan never provides proof of ANYthing she says. You got egg all over your face Russ.

      So Russ, Joan didn’t tell you the whole truth. And by 2007, I was taking my father for some errands. Which Joan knows nothing about.Like going to Boulevard Mall Radio Shack for his stereo – or taking him to the credit union downtown and to the bank of America. Oh, so much for MY disrespecting my father so much Russ – my father trusted me enough to drive him around to do his banking. Because he knew I wouldn’t hound him for money.

      When my father took ill, in January 2011, nobody called Joan – because they knew he wanted nothing more to do with her. She went to my father’s house on her own – why? Because as she related it on the Adoptee forum – her adoptive mother (in a nursing home) took a turn for the worse. She suddenly decided that she needed to talk to my father and with Russ, went to my father’s house. The door was unlocked, and after knocking once, they entered. Russ is a big man, and my step-mother was frightened. She was frail, on oxygen. But she told Joan that Dad was in the hospital. After joan and Russ left, she called one of her daughters. The other daughter was at the hospital already. And when Joan and Russ came in the room, she was pissed. BUT nobody wanted to make a scene in front of my father, who did have a nice visit. Russ said in one of his email or a comment to my blog that Joan asked “forgiveness” and he forgave her. My stepsister said no, this did not happen. Who are we to believe? Joan and Russ, who have a track record of bullying and lying and twisting the truth? HA! I don’t think so.

      Remove that slanderous blog you have against us Russ and go away.

  2. oh – as for “disrespecting” my father – one time when I took him shopping – in 2004, I got a speeding ticket on the 290. When I got to my dad’s house, I told him about it. He offered to pay it for me. I said no. I was the one who got the ticket. My dad then said, “but you got it while coming to take me shopping.” – I said – “no – YOUR foot was not on the gas pedal – MINE was.”

    geez – it ain’t just the cost of the ticket – it’s the gas (2004 was the year gas soared to $4.00 a gallon) – the gas driving to and from the court, the fine, PLUS being told to attend driving school – in Hamburg – gas driving to and from the driving school. – the school was 6 hours. A good way to measure the value of your time is take what you get paid from your job – I was getting $18.00 an hour in 2004 – that’s another $108.00. I think the fine from the Amherst court was $200.00. Oh, and then I had to drive BACK to Amherst and show the certificate from the driving school. AND I had to pay for the driving school!

    Lesson learned – I was going with the flow of traffice EVERYbody was doing 70 mph in a 55 mph zone – Now I stay at 55 – or some places let you go 65.

    Now, if it was Joan – she would have demanded the full monies involved my father and bitched about all the time she spent. I bitch about the time because as I said, I have a job, and was taking care of my husband. Joan has no job. She has no life.

  3. Gert here:

    On one of my visits home to see my father, when he was recovering, I took my step-mother shopping. She told me that he hated when Joan would take her shopping because Joan had a nasty habit of being items, that Joan wanted, into the cart, not saying anything and then when they got to the check-out my step-mother ended up PAYING FOR JOAN’S ITEMS.

    Joan is a sneak…when asked about the items Joan would say something like…oh I forget I put it there and gee I don’t have enough $$ on me…etc…and the OLD woman, would NOT argue with her.

  4. right Gert,
    as the victim of theft of several hundreds of dollars from Joan, and we know how she tried to extort money from Kathy via the help of her good friend, Dr. Rene Hoksbergen – we can see how Joan Wheeler is not just a liar – she is a thief, a user, an abuser – and a just a low-down scumbag.

    We have detailed on my blog Refuting a Book of Lies, how Joan stole the money from me, and how she tried to steal $500.00 from Kathy. – and in the process stole, by not shipping to Kathy, items belonging to Kathy that Joan was storing for her. I’m just too sick right now, having gotten back from the doctor’s to find the links and post the links to the blogposts detailing these thefts. Suffice it to say, again, we have provided written documentation – especially for the attempted extortion of Kathy. Joan had adoption expert Utrecht University (The Netherlands) write to Kathy and tell her it would cost $500.00 to ship the belongings. When Kathy appealed to our dad for help, he got most of the belongings (minus the items Joan kept for herself) and in three shipments, shipped them off to Kathy for about $50.00 each trip – just over $150.00 – for our evidence – we have posted the actual letter in 1993 from Professor Hoksbergen telling Kathy it would cost $500.00 and the actual receipts from my father – totalling just over $150.00. – so don’t feel lonely Russ – Joan played you for a fool – you’re in good company – she played a college professor, an adoption expert, a writer of several books on psychology – yes – she played an intelligent man for a fool to act as an accomplice to extort money. Are we learning yet Russ? Cut your losses – remove that blog of yours – run the hell away from Joan – forget the Sippel family – because as Voltaire said “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.” Joan led Prof. Rene Hoksbergen to do it – AND you. AND Susan Thompson Underdahl, AND HeatherUK, AND Mara AND Lori Corangelo. Congratulations! You’re all in the “I got taken in by Joan Wheeler and was played for a fool” club.

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  1. Big Bad Russ speaks – (Joan Wheeler sics her boyfriend on us) – too bad we found it a year and a half later – well, better late than never. « Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor
  2. History of, and current attack sites, upon the birthsiblings, of Joan Wheeler | Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor

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