Why would Gert and Ruth’s blogs have so many Australia hits? Could it be something to do with Joan Wheeler? Humm!!
Joan Wheeler and other angry adult adoptees’ use of extreme derogatory and derisive terms, for pro-adoption people, are really disgusting and take away from their cause! Without any actual positive action, to prevent the negative aspects of ‘adoption’ that these people see, all their ranting and namecalling does NOTHING to prevent the abuses, that they say are happening, from happening! When will these idiots learn; that the best place to get proper change done is in the legislative branch of government and not on their ranting and raving to themselves?
Okay, bad things happen to innocent people! I’ve never said that every child, adopted or not, has a wonderful life and I’m certainly aware that shit happens to children and adults. Children, adopted or not, are not the only age group that are sought after and abused…there are many adult men and women in the sex trade that ought not to be ignored. And adoptees, of any age, are not the only sub-set of a population that have been and are currently being used as ‘lab rats’ for experimental drug purposes.
To use a few recent words from an email I received from Ruth, to illustrate the point…about the Holocaust… don’t watch or look at anything about it. I know all about it. I don’t need to gross myself out over the shit that happened. And other shit that goes on all over the world – like forced child marriages, babys being raped, female genital mutilation, bride burning in India, sex slaves all over the place. a “judge” in Pakistan ordering a teenage girl to be gang-raped as punishment for something that she didn’t do – her brother talked to a girl. The human race is vile and sadistic and you could go crazy trying to figure out what “cause” you should support. as to genocides – there’s one happening right now in Syria.
oh – and I forgot the biggest, baddest, meanest fucking thing a human being could possibly do to another – ADOPTION
Getting back to my point is, that these angry adult adoptees really ought to get there own heads on straight…for their tactics and language is really NOT helping their cause. While the emotion of anger may get a person up and going into ‘doing something’ but that ‘doing something’ must be done within the proper channels. I don’t see these adoptees doing that. They rant and rave and don’t go to their law makers! Joan Wheeler is a prime example…she will rave with anger against the lack of legal support in the United States, yet, she doesn’t do ANYTHING within the legal system itself! All Joan Wheeler is, is, a bunch of hot air that likes the seedy side of things…just read on.
From a google search dated april 1, 2012 I found the following bit of discussion (original date unknown) 1adoptee is Joan Wheeler.
please read these reports when you have time its worth it
At least governments agree on how important we all are. After WWII the American government experimented on children in orphanages by putting radioactive material in their milk-wanted to see what effect it had on them. It’s not something they publicize. They see us adoptees as poster children for abortion.
Abortions were supposed to end the abuse of children-“Every child a wanted child”. Problem is-people who like to abuse children don’t want abortions; they want to get their hands on children to abuse. If they can’t have them, they adopt them.
Experimentation without their knowledge…sick truly sick…although not surprising. I was volunteered by my a-rents for all kinds of experimental psychological drugs from age 8-16. I was never diagnosed with a thing and this is how I know it was just because some jackass with a degree in psychiatry wanting to make money off of me if something “worked.” I’m not terminally ill and never have been. I really think my a-rents are just sadistic people and enjoyed seeing me “used.” I know this is way off topic, but everytime I hear about some unethical experiment done on adoptees or orphans it’s generally a good way to get me fuming…then again…my being angry about it is perhaps a sign of my moral center being very solid.
1adoptee said :
I am gathering them now. Thank you for finding these and letting us know. Here are the links: (note from Gert I removed some of the info here)
Adoption, Identity and the Constitution: The Case For Opening Closed Records (USA) 1999-2000 New South Wales, Australia
Wellington, New Zealand
My questions: with all of this out there, why is America so far behind the rest of the world? Where are Civil Rights attorneys in USA? Get the job done already!!!!! :xplode: :banghead2:
Please explain this: “knob ends” and :knob:
I am trying to learn these terms
I know this is off topic for this thread, but the term showed up in a comment by E… “knob ends like Deborah Lee Furness who is lobbying to make international adoption easier here.”
E: said..It’s another word for penis. Knob end means the tip of the penis because Deborah Lee Furness isn’t even worth calling a whole penis.
1adoptee: said.. oh! dick head!
Gert here…:…right! Joan knows all about ‘dick head’!
Has Joan Wheeler done anything for the US adoptees? Like I said she is all hot air and gets worked up over the seedy side of things. All she showed us here is that she is ‘angry’ over the fact that the US is behind Australia, but really only wanted to know what a knob end was!
But who is Deborah Lee Furness? Here’s a brief look…
Deborra-Lee Furness (born 8 December 1955) is an Australian actress, director and producer. In 2005 she co-founded The Rafiki Society in Vancouver, which is operational in assisting orphanages in Africa. Furness is the Founder and Patron of National Adoption Awareness Week in Australia.
Furness is Patron of the Lighthouse Foundation for displaced children in Melbourne Australia, Patron of the Bone Marrow Donor Institute for children with leukemia, and Patron of International Adoption Families for Queensland. She is also on the Advisory Committee for Film Aid International, working with refugees throughout the world. As a World Vision ambassador Furness recently travelled to Cambodia and Ethiopia to assist with raising awareness and funds.
Furness is Executive Director for the Worldwide Orphans Foundation Australia and was recently honoured at the Worldwide Orphans Gala in New York City for all her work in advocacy for vulnerable children. She is an adoptive mother of two.
Furness appeared on Australian television on the Australian Broadcasting Corporation afternoon program “National Press Club Address” on Wednesday, 9 November, 2011. Her address to the press club was about adopting children. She also appeared Australian television on the Channel Ten evening program “The Project” on Thursday, 10 November, 2011, also with regard to adoption laws in Australia.
Gert here again…
So why all the ‘bitching’ over adoption of orphans? Heaven forbid that there is SOMEONE who helps orphans around the world, better those orphans just die in some hell hole and NOT BE ABUSED by being ADOPTED! Oh, also she is an adoptive mother! Can’t have that now can we?
So, why would our blogs have so many hits from the great ‘outback’ called Australia? Could it be that one of Joan’s ‘friends’ is from there? Could it be that the adoptees from Australia don’t like the fact that we birthsiblings of Joan Wheeler keep throwing back the curtain of these angry adoptees?
As I said above, shit happens, children get abused and there are proper channels that WORK in curbing those abuses, but, the way these angry adult adoptees do it, all they are doing is passing their hot air around the globe…too bad they can’t get out of their anger and get to the law-makers and do some real change for a change!
like I said – the human race is vile. Just watch the evening news to see man’s inhumanity to man. We just had a prominent Buffalo physician beat vehicular manslaughter charges. After he was driving drunk and killed an 18 year old girl – and he left her to die on the road.
Jerry Sandusky’s trial is getting started. a cruise ship served alcohol to a 3 year old. Last week a babysitter’s boyfriend stuck her little charge in a laundromat washing machine. Children are abused even by their own biological parents. even heinously. Last week, a Buffalo father was charged with beating his one month old child. Last year another one punched his baby daughter in the eye!
Instead of condemning people who are trying to help – why not invest all that free time you have in fighting child abuse – period! – that includes adopted children as well as biological children. oh wait – joan can’t do that, now can she – because she abused her own biological children. and proudly wrote about it in her book. Then has the nerve to bitch about her adopted parents “abusing” her?
oh – so it’s alright to abuse your biological kids but heaven forbid a kid who was adopted and then got abused – they get all the attention and outcries. ALL CHILD ABUSE SHOULD BE CONDEMNED. And shut your mouth about those who are trying to help. Maybe adoption is not the best answer – with it’s subsequent “identity problems.” But what are people supposed to do with a baby left lying in a crib in an orphanage? FORCE the teenage parents or perhaps drug abuser mother to take care of the kid? oh, like THAT’S the gonna be a viable solution. Joan herself was a poor mother – because all her time was spent on doing her anti-adoption research, writing her stupid book, writing harassing letters to me and others, making harassing phone calls to me and others. Joan didn’t have a job – yet in the summertime, when her kids were not in school – were they home? NO – they were stuck all day long in day camp.
A self-proclaimed “stay-at-home-mom-so-she-could-raise-her-kids,” Joan didn’t raise her kids. Between the day camp and various baby-sitters, Joan hardly raised her kids. She even acknowldeged this in her book – right in the beginning of the book – giving thanks to all her babysitters who gave her time to work on her book.
Which brings me to a true story – in 1986, the 60s rock groups, The Monkees, The Grassroots and Gary Puckett and The Union Gap went on tour. They were appearing in Chautaqua, New York. I couldn’t afford a ticket. Joan and her husband owed me for some long-distance phone calls they placed on my phone, so in exchange, they got me a ticket and we went in July to see the concert. and we had a great time.
Two months later, the tour added Buffalo to the tour. Joan called me up and asked me if I wanted to go. I had enjoyed myself the first time, a second time would have been nice, but I still couldn’t afford the ticket, so I said no. Well, Joan wanted to go. A few days later, she calls me up and says that she had a dream the night before about The Monkees Mickey Dolenz – and now she simply HAD to go. Mind you, she’s 8 months pregnant with an almost 3 year old at home.
So she goes to the concert and has a good time.
the next week, she calls me up – crying hysterically – her electricity was getting shut off BECAUSE SHE DIDN’T PAY THE BILL! – now they don’t come and shut your service off UNLESS YOU HAVEN’T PAID YOUR BILL FOR A FEW MONTHS!
Now this is real responsible parenting and bordering on child abuse! YOU GOT AN ALMOST 3 YEAR OLD AT HOME, 8 MONTHS PREGNANT, AND INSTEAD OF PAYING YOUR BILLS – YOU’RE GOING TO A ROCK CONCERT THAT YOU HAVE ALREADY SEEN!
Child abuser registry? Joan should have been on one – for this and other similar stunts. And she wasn’t even an adoptive parent! She was a biological parent and put rock groups on a higher priority than her own flesh and blood!
Whine some more on how YOU were abused because you were adopted you hypocritical bitch, Joan.
right…Ruth said…But what are people supposed to do with a baby left lying in a crib in an orphanage? FORCE the teenage parents or perhaps drug abuser mother to take care of the kid? oh, like THAT’S the gonna be a viable solution.
that’s right, Joan would favor that! she is 100 percent against adoption and wants extended family and guardianship to take over never understanding that the world is not a perfect little place!
It is the wise person to listen to Ruth’s insights because she was there with Joan for many years, trying to be a sister and only got a stab in the back many times…
ok – so let’s see – “extended family and guardianship” is Joan’s answer – and does she think that the guardians or the extended family are ANGELS sent from the heavens? They are probably as messed up as the rest of the world.
Face it Joan and all those adoptees who think the grass is greener on the other side of the fence – EVERY CHILD BORN ON THIS PLANET IS AT THE MERCY OF THOSE WHO RAISE IT. Be it their own biological parents, adoptive parents, foster parents, extended family members appointed to be guardians.
Stop blowing rainbows out your asses wishing that adoption doesn’t take place. Even children raised by guardians, and are told the truth are going to have some kind of mental trauma – like, where are their biological parents? WHY didn’t they want me? WHY did they up and die and leave me?
Do you think that non-adopted half-orphans or full orphans don’t have the same self-doubts and anger issues?
MY mother up and died and left me when I was only three and a half years old! WHY did she do that? She f’ing left me behind to be raised by my a strict grandmother, and a nutty stepmother. Then I was sent to a foster home to elderly people. Kind and nice but old. Then I’m with my dad – but he had to work 2 jobs and I never saw him. We were more strangers than father and daughter.
So I wasn’t adopted, and still had a shitty childhood. But do you hear me whining about it year after year after year?
Then it turns out that I am infertile and can’t have kids of my own. that makes me incredibly sad. But you know what? I don’t whine about it year after year after year! I take the cards that life has dealt me and do the best I can. I have a steady job – I’ll be there 40 years this September. I do my job well. I have a wonderful husband who treats me well. He is not perfect, then neither am I. And we can still fight like crazy! ooh, he drives me crazy sometimes!
I own my house well, the bank owns most of it, but we already paid for it once, having to take another mortgage for a new roof and porch. But with hard work and no dam whining – John and I work together to get our house paid for.
John’s childhood was hardly “ideal” either. Name me ONE kid who did have an “ideal” childhood. – dam even Peter Pan’s was so rotten he refused to grow up to be an “adult.” He hated adults that much.
Moral of my story – to Joan and all those other “angry” adoptees – get over it. Stop being jealous of those of us who overcame our rotten childhoods. Yeah, we are rainbow farters – because we know that there is another side of the rainbow – the side that we ourselves build out of the pieces of our lives.
Bitching and moaning and taking things out on other people are NOT going to give you happiness. so shut up already.
without sounding like a ‘counselor’ or anything like that…but do you readers hear and feel the pain that Ruth is expressing here? And she isn’t the only one! We siblings LOST OUR MOTHER and then OUR FATHER because of life situations and all Joan can do is talk about her f,…ing pain! and continue to come up with bullshit non-answers to the question of what do you do with children that have lost their parent(s)! And then Joan goes and shits on us!! over and over again! and the world of angry adoptees and their ‘counselors’ are nothing but a bunch of bullshit artists that makes money and gain fame off of and on the backs of stupid naive adoptees who can’t seem to get their life in order!
There’s a big black market out there that takes advantage of the stupidity and pain (real and imaginary) of people and because when someone is in pain they will listen to anyone who tells them anything that will make them feel ‘good’ and these people in their innocence keeps these ‘counselors’ in the lime light and taking advantage of them….the answer…well that’s the problem…for you see…only those that are NOT in pain and can really find the courage and strength to find the answers for themselves. If they don’t have the ways and means to see it through for themselves they are at the mercy of people like Joan Wheeler who says she is a social worker who has 30 years experience (lie) or from other adoptee “‘ that are out there KEEPING THEM ALL SICK AND IN THERAPY and making tons of money and fame off of them. It’s like the church that tells you don’t question a thing I know the answer just do as I say and all will ok and all the while they are just keeping you on their string and are doing you no good.
that is why I keep saying that Joan is exploiting our family’s circumstances, our mother’s death, our father’s pain and decision to place a child into adoption and all our lives misrepresented by Joan in that book, on web blogs and internet sites….because she only USES us to support her Bullshit LIFE. and it shall stop! It shall stop because at some point Joan and the other adoptees and their bullshit counselors will have to say enough already…because Ruth and Gert will not shut up until Joan Wheeler admits to the wrongs she has done to us, individually and as a family.