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Joan Wheeler is reaching, again, but we all know her head is in the gutter anyway!

by on January 25, 2013

Is Adoption, the act of adopting, sexual exploitation or just exploitation? What does Joan Wheeler say?

A question posed on the public forum for Adult Adoptees Advocating for Change and answered by Joan Wheeler, gives us a couple of interesting answers.

According to a dictionary: to adopt means: To take into one’s family through legal means and raise as one’s own child.

And exploitation means; 1. The act of employing to the greatest possible advantage and 2. Utilization of another person or group for selfish purposes

Humm…and sexual exploitation??? if you are Joan Wheeler…anything goes…

But according to a web dictionary: Sexual exploitation is the sexual abuse of children and youth through the exchange of sex or sexual acts for drugs, food, shelter, protection, other basics of life, and/or money. Sexual exploitation includes involving children and youth in creating pornography and sexually explicit websites.

Decide for yourself whether Joan Wheeler, has a brain or not, as you read the following…

Here’s an example of how, when Joan’s opinion is ‘refuted’, she will either attack, like she does to us birth sisters, or she shuts up and goes away (usually because someone has shown that Joan’s logic is illogical). In the following case, she just clammed up and went away, her logic is faulty, but before she left, she told us a couple of interesting things about her mindset. Too bad she doesn’t do the same for us sibling, that is, shut up and go.

We see here how Joan’s mind is in the gutter…there is always something sexual behind her thoughts…makes one wonder if Joan wasn’t abused as a young child. Since when is giving birth a sexual act? According to Joan it is! Since when is breastfeeding an infant a sexual act? According to Joan it is! I understand she breastfeed her son for years! Humm! Really now! Must have been those big boobs, she liked to have! talk about sexual perversity. She really must have had a grand time of it breastfeeding…since according to Joan that is a SEXUAL ACT.

Wonder what child services would think of that?

And here’s a new sexual act, that we never knew about…direct from Joan’s mouth… Another example of this sexual exploitation is the creation of the amended birth certificate.

Boy, it’s worst than I thought… a piece of paper is sexual exploitation!!

So here’s the discussion thread, with a few thoughts by others and Joan’s one comment.

Title: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: T on January 29, 2011, 12:42:48 PM

I think we all understand where babies come from, right? Man and a woman have sex, and the outcome is a baby. So, the creation/birth/raising of the child is in every sense the culmination of the parents’ sex life. So, is it sexual exploitation of the adoptee to be forced into the position of the “fruit” of an adopting couple’s relationship? Or is this just semantic overload?

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: b on January 29, 2011, 01:25:19 PM

No, I agree. Especially when the adopters are there with the expectant mother through prenatal care and delivery. Afather cuts cord. Amother is the first to hold the baby, when all the baby wants is its real mother. Surrogacy and genetic/embryo donation are much the same, only from an earlier point in the process.
Basically, we’ve got all these PAPs out there saying premarital sex is wrong, or whatever their personal values are. Then they anxiously wait by the phone to hear about some women who has ended up pregnant while unmarried/poor/still in school so they can add to the pressure and coercion that may or may not ultimately convince her to relinquish. They are depending on other women’s bodies. Sometimes, as in the case of rape, they are depending on someone to be victimized. Or they are depending on someone to be ‘irresponsible’ in their eyes and get pregnant. And you’ll find a lot of them on the family values train, calling for abstinence and an end to abortion.
And through in watching the baby emerge, induced lactation, and those creepy adopter naked with baby pics, and you’ve got some serious fucked-uppery.

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: j on January 29, 2011, 01:53:03 PM

Yeah, I can’t go there. When I think of sex I think of penis’ and jayjays not babies. I mean yeah you can extrapolate but what if I said like we are all sexual creatures— I don’t know. More coffee.

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: m on January 29, 2011, 02:15:14 PM

l get it and agree

AND NOW JOAN’S THOUGHTS…

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: 1adoptee on January 29, 2011, 02:20:15 PM

Another example of this sexual exploitation is the creation of the amended birth certificate to illustrate that the baby was born to parents who factually did not create this child via sexual intercourse. The ABC legitimizes the illegitimate and sanctions the birth of the child. Birth is a sexual act. Adoption is not, yet the “paper pregnancy” and adopters in the delivery room where they invade the privacy of the birthing mother and being born infant certainly point to sexual exploitation. Adoptive mothers as nurisng mothers, well, those of us who have birthed and breastfed our children know that breastfeeding is also a sexual act. It is also part of the natural bonding process between newborn and mother, that should be, natural mother. yes, adoption is sexual exploitation.

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: j on January 29, 2011, 02:22:43 PM

Yes T, I agree. So many pro-adoption people & PAP-wanna-be’s (especially of the religious variety) are generally the same people who are opposed to young, unmarried people having access to reliable contraception, sex ed, and/or abortion services. How convenient for those in the market for a newborn, huh? Aside from all the adoptees who are later sexually abused by those “carefully screened” APs,

Balance removed by GertMcQueen

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: P on January 29, 2011, 02:27:48 PM

No I disagree really strongly. It’s exploitation definitely but not sexual exploitation. Sexual exploitation and adoption create different kinds of damage and I don’t think conflating them is helpful for survivors of either.

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: C on January 29, 2011, 05:41:53 PM

What are your thoughts on the term “reproductive exploitation”? Would that apply?

Title: Re: adoption = sexual exploitation?
Post by: P on January 29, 2011, 05:51:56 PM

What are your thoughts on the term “reproductive exploitation”? Would that apply?

Yeah I totally think it would.

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Gert back again here:

I could understand reproductive exploitation versus sexual exploitation! Now…let’s go back to Joan’s words.

sexual exploitation is the creation of the amended birth certificate to illustrate that the baby was born to parents who factually did not create this child via sexual intercourse. The ABC legitimizes the illegitimate and sanctions the birth of the child. Birth is a sexual act. Adoption is not, yet the “paper pregnancy” and adopters in the delivery room where they invade the privacy of the birthing mother and being born infant certainly point to sexual exploitation. Adoptive mothers as nurisng mothers, well, those of us who have birthed and breastfed our children know that breastfeeding is also a sexual act. It is also part of the natural bonding process between newborn and mother, that should be, natural mother. yes, adoption is sexual exploitation.

I just don’t see how an amended birth certificate is sexual exploitation…at most it’s only a legal fiction and that is perfectly LEGAL and certainly not sexual in nature! A legal fiction is used for vital statics and within adoption for the privacy and emotional well being of all persons involved…there is no sex act involved. But, now that I think about, Joan feels she’s been SCREWED, so perhaps in her case it is sexual exploitation!

Why does Joan have this thing about legitimizing a child that was illegitimate? That’s a good thing for pete’s sake. Getting married BEFORE the child is born is another way to make the child legit. Hey, my mother was pregnant with me BEFORE she married my father! Big Deal! They got married, I and my siblings became legit with a piece of paper called a marriage license. So a amended birth certificate makes legit ANY child, by ANY previous conditions, the legal descendants of the adoptive parents. Big Deal!

I will admit that having adoptive parents in the birthing room and nursing adoptive mothers is a bit strange, but that doesn’t make the situation sexual exploitation either.

Joan’s assertion that giving birth and breastfeeding are sexual acts shines great light onto Joan’s perverse nature! Give me a break!! The sexual act between male and female can create a life. But, giving birth is not sexual…it is the way the human species reproduces itself and breastfeeding…the first food…is how the infant human stays alive. These are not sexual acts and only a deprivated person, or an abused person, would think this. Humm.

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2 Comments
  1. She is ALWAYS “reaching” – never achieving anything but bullshit because that’s what she concentrates on.

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