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Joan M Wheeler would NEVER accept any of these scenarios, where a child would have to be sacrificed; Judgment of Solomon, Sophie’s Choice, Burning Building test.

by on February 13, 2016

No, she sees no scenario where adoption is an answer, ever! She’s totally against adoption no matter what! Foolish woman! Dangerous woman! Life is full of tragedies where people MUST make hard/difficult choices and sacrifices, including those related to one’s own children. She herself gave her children up, in their daily lives, for the CAUSE OF ADOPTION.

BUT before we continue I want to share…

UPDATE MARCH 2017; as older posts are being seen I’m updating with links to my second blog and a Facebook page wherein I expose AGAIN the lies, fabrications and hate that Joan M Wheeler (Doris Michol Sippel) says about me and family. The first book Forbidden Family, A Half Orphan’s Account of Her Adoption, Reunion and Social Activism‘ was published in 2009 but then was pulled from publication by the publisher in May 2011, for libelous material within the book. Then in 2015, she ‘self-published’ a ‘revised’ version calling it ‘Forbidden Family, an adoptee duped by adoption’. This woman has no shame no sense of family honor! Then in 2016 Joan changed her name back to her birth name and rewrote and republished the SAME crap in another book; a Third edition! CALLED ‘Forbidden Family: An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity’! Talk about conning people!

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/   this blog is titled Reclaiming the Sippel-Herr Family Honor

https://gertmcqueen2.wordpress.com/

this blog’s title/sub title is… DUPED BY ADOPTION & AN WOMAN’S STRUGGLE FOR IDENTITY, A BOOK STUDY an in-depth analyzes of the books called Forbidden Family; My Life as an Adoptee Duped by adoption & An Adopted Woman’s Struggle for Identity by Joan M Wheeler/Doris M Sippel.

Also see this Facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/dupedbyadoptionStruggleforIdentity1/

In addition…see the ‘discussion’ forums, on Amazon, for two of the books. The first book has one review and several comments related.

Forbidden Family: My Life as an Adoptee Duped by Adoption forum

https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Family-Adoptee-Duped-Adoption/forum/Fx16ZHWP5PQHHCK/-/1/ref=cm_cd_fp_rvt?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B00X520CGW

Joan Mary Wheeler forum 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/forum/cd/forum.html/ref=cm_cd_rvt?ie=UTF8&cdForum=Fx3T0YAD0KXNPP5

review of first book and 4 comments

https://www.amazon.com/Forbidden-Family-Joan-M-Wheeler/dp/1412061547

NOW to continue

Adoption is NOT an evil. People create evils. And yes, some who have been adopted ended up with parents that did evil to them, but…that is no excuse to condemn all adoptions. Joan should take a real close look at what evils she DID to her own children! Like I said she is an dangerous woman!

When Joan’s libelous book, Forbidden Family, first came out I was very busy with reading it, documenting what was in it, preparing documentation to present to the publisher and countering the variety of ‘on-line’ attacks from Joan and her pals.

I had collected the many sites where Joan left comments, that I found, into folders to ‘get back to’. So, yes this post is about some things that are years old, but STILL very much needed to be presented and righted! As long as Joan is alive and discussing, and writing about, the birth family we shall continue to expose her and right the wrongs she has done to us.

Joan Wheeler has done a huge disservice and dishonor to our father and mother. Joan has misjudged, labeled and condemned our father for his ‘life choices’. Furthermore, Joan has done the same disservice and dishonor to the two people who adopted her. She has no shame, no sense of decency toward parents who have to make difficult choices and who raised her. She also has never done her own children right! She is just a hypocrite!

This post is about Joan’s comment on this topic:

What kind of woman does this? Burning building test… link provided below.

I also am providing the links to the ‘truth’ of Joan’s placement into adoption, the whys and hows of it, that Joan refuses to accept.

http://www.chicagonow.com/portrait-of-an-adoption/2013/10/adoption-reunification-when-it-doesnt-work-out/

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/how-my-family-has-been-touched-by-adoption-both-positive-and-negative-aspects-by-gert-mcqueen/

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2013/06/25/as-a-member-of-the-real-forbidden-family-i-answer-10-interview-questions-related-to-my-article-how-adoption-affected-my-family/

And this post in which I outline just why Joan’s ideas would never be acceptable to our father.

https://gertmcqueen.wordpress.com/2015/12/07/joan-m-wheeler-plays-lawyer-insisting-her-rights-were-violated-she-has-no-training-in-the-legal-field/

Over years, of following Joan Wheeler’s lies and misrepresenting our family, on the Internet, I’ve come to recognize many individuals and what they stand for. Lori Lavender Luz is an ‘open adoption’ adoptive mother who is well-rounded and knowledgeable.

Long before myself and my sister Ruth began our blogs to tell the truth against the lies within the book Joan wrote, Joan had been out on the Internet. She argues with anyone who is pro-adoption, including Lori.

All anyone knew about Joan’s family and siblings came from Joan herself. Of course it was all hate and lies and misrepresentations!

Joan’s book was published November 2009. Here we find her in 2010 LYING about our father and her adoption! At the end of her comment I will address a few specific statements.

http://lavenderluz.com/2008/05/what-kind-of-woman-does-this-2.html

Joan M Wheeler April 7, 2010 at 6:46 am

The “Sophie’s choice” (my analogy) or “burning building” approach does not fit all situations. You completely overlook the fact that most mothers are talked into giving up their babies by an adoption industry that feeds upon the weak to provide children for the more monetarily prosperous adopting families. You do not take into consideration that fathers, too, are talked into relinquishment of their children when faced with the black/white thinking of no other options presented to parents in crisis. My father was talked into relinquishing me just after my mother’s death by a Catholic priest who insisted that the baby needs two parents. My father’s four other children also needed two parents, and, we needed to stay together as a family, but it was much easier to give our father no other options, no help, and no support, and no grief counseling for himself and his four older children in coping with the death of his wife and our mother. By the way, my natural father is well-hated by my extended adoptive family who were happy that he provided a child to be adopted by one of their own, but they also looked down upon him for giving away his baby. This is the destructiveness of adoption psychology.

The solution? No adoption at all. Period. Family preservation, kinship care, and guardianship are the only possible solutions because none of these solutions remove a child from an existing family. None of these solutions change a child’s identity and birth certificate to that of a falsified birth certificate that is routinely issued to adoptive parents fraudulently indicating that they “gave birth” to a child they legally adopted.

The entire system of adoption is corrupt. Guardianship is the only option as it provides for the intact identity of the child and does not destroy the existing family. Joan M Wheeler

My comments now…

Joan said…You completely overlook the fact that most mothers are talked into giving up their babies by an adoption industry that feeds upon the weak to provide children for the more monetarily prosperous adopting families.

Gert says… She can’t resist telling the other person that they haven’t looked at all the facts! What does that have to do with Joan’s adoption? Nothing, like I said she is against ALL adoptions and will always go after any pro-adoption person.

Joan said…fathers, too, are talked into relinquishment of their children when faced with the black/white thinking of no other options presented to parents in crisis.

Gert says…Yes father must make those decisions but Joan is still wrong here. Our father KNEW his wife was dying 3 months BEFORE she died. He had to make a decision FAST about what he was going to do to provide for that infant and his other children. He planned to marry another woman, with children, but she refused to take the infant.

Joan said…My father was talked into relinquishing me just after my mother’s death by a Catholic priest who insisted that the baby needs two parents. My father’s four other children also needed two parents, and, we needed to stay together as a family

Gert says… The priest was not that important in any of the decisions made! Once my mother gave birth to the child (Joan), in the hospital where she was for months, on the drug DES to hold that pregnancy, she then had a exploratory surgery. It was discovered that she had massive uterine cancer that spread…she was DYING. The family was ALREADY split up between grandparents and aunts/uncles waiting for the DEATH. My father had plans to keep the family together with a 2nd marriage, but as I said, that woman REFUSED to take the infant. Adoption WAS THE ONLY OPTION.

Joan said… it was much easier to give our father no other options, no help, and no support, and no grief counseling for himself and his four older children in coping with the death of his wife and our mother.

Gert says… What? Where does she come up with this non-sense? First off, Joan does not look at the times when these events occurred; mid-1950s, when most people ‘took care of themselves’ and got on in life. Joan herself is so used to being in counseling that she tends to forget that most people just deal with the life they are dealt with! The family MOVED ON when the decision was made, by the father, to remarry (which took care of her 2 children and his 4 children) and he placed the infant into adoption, quickly for the BENEFIT of all. To give up that infant, the father, psychologically, made that infant DEAD at the moment his wife and the infant’s mother DIED. The family unit was torn apart after the needed hospitalization of the 2nd wife/step-mother one year AFTER the death of our mother.

Joan said…my natural father is well-hated by my extended adoptive family

Gert says… And this happens in most families! What’s the importance here? Nothing, except for Joan to ‘justify’ why her adoptive family were torturing her!

Joan said…the destructiveness of adoption psychology

Gert says… Well then why isn’t Joan talking to the people who MAKE laws?

Joan said…Family preservation, kinship care, and guardianship are the only possible solutions because none of these solutions remove a child from an existing family.

Gert says… Not always an option. Our father said if HE could not raise HIS child, NO other in the FAMILY would raise HIS child. Joan just doesn’t get it!

Joan said…None of these solutions change a child’s identity and birth certificate to that of a falsified birth certificate

Gert says… This is what it’s all about with Joan.

Joan said…Guardianship is the only option as it provides for the intact identity of the child and does not destroy the existing family.

Gert says… No it’s NOT the only option! Just because Joan says so doesn’t mean it’s an option. Joan’s adoption did NOT destroy the family.

To continue on…

Joan M Wheeler April 7, 2010 at 6:46 am

I forgot to mention: it would be good for those of us who do not wish to use their Google accounts, but have existing websites, to be able to use thier accounts here. Joan M Wheeler

Lori Lavender Luz April 7, 2010 at 6:46 am

Joan, thanks for visiting.

Your solution would not have worked for either of my children’s first moms.

I can understand why you have the viewpoint you do, though, given your father’s treatment.

Until recently, I did allow anyone to comment. Until I began getting tons of spamments, especially on old posts. Sorry for the inconvenience.

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AND OVER A YEAR LATER… I posted about the demise of the libelous book and my comment is still there!

Gert McQueen June 2, 2011 at 8:23 am

It needs to be pointed out that the book Forbidden Family, written by Joan Wheeler, published by Trafford Publications has been pulled from their selling markets. The book is unavailable and no further copies of it in it’s present form will be printed. The book was pulled by the publisher after several months of investigating the documented proof sent to them by the birth family. The pulling of the book proves that what the birth sisters have been saying, that the book is full of lies and hate, is correct.

Gert here…I’m glad that Lori has kept my comment up as many others have as well. Perhaps some day Joan will get on with life and stop being so angry and hateful, but that doesn’t seem to be the case. In 2015 she self-published another VERSION of her lying book and so we have to continue exposing her lies. Please do check out the new blog and facebook page.

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  1. Reblogged this on Refuting a Book of Lies: Forbidden Family — and commented:

    NEW POST check it out…
    Joan M Wheeler has recently stated that she is mentally ill! would you believe anything she has to say NOW?

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